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Age · Aug 18, 2005, 09:09 PM // 21:09

There is one good reason to play W/Mo in PVE is that if you have party of real ppl and no one is a Monk then someone has to up the role and that is of course W/Mo.I use swords in both of my Warrior but can use use a hammer as well.I might change my PvP charator when I find a good hammer and try it out.There is of course other builds to choose from W/N,W/Mes,W/R and W/E.I have played them all except W/R.I don't think Warrior are for noobs if any young player is playing GW they are more likely to play Necro.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 18, 2005, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by Age

I don't think Warrior are for noobs if any young player is playing GW they are more likely to play Necro.

First, "young" does not make someone a "n00b". Second, Warrior/Monk is definitely the n00b class of choice. It's not that playing as a W/M makes you a N00b, but the sterotype will brand you as one.

Charcoal Ann · Aug 18, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23

i think that to a small extent at least the apparent character of the person playing is governed by the character that they currently play.

i seriously doubt that n00b5 only have warriors on their account. and not many people complain about other types. i have a warrior and a monk (as well as a few others) as my monk i get very annoyed by warriors who charge off. however sometimes as my warrior i HAVE to charge off to fulfill some objective or such (like save Benji) i think people, to some extent at least, have come to believe in the stereotypes so strongly that they only see the bad things that warriors and monks do. that 'leeroy' warrior who always charges off actually took all the aggro outside of the casters aggro circle so that there was no chance of them being aggrod. but the monks always think that this idiot warrior has charged off and has to be pulled out by concerted team effort.

and on the monk side of things. they have many excuses for 'not bothering to heal' such as low energy or a mesmer hex or being attacked themselves.

50% of the problem is in our minds

just my 2 cents

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 18, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Charcoal Ann

50% of the problem is in our minds

My thoughts exactly.

Ristaron · Aug 18, 2005, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Gods, another beaten-to-death topic.
Whine whine whine I'm a warrior I don't get respect whine whine whine stupid n00bs taking warriors as their first character and running around smashing things with no care for anyone else whine whine whine.

Get over it.
Join an active guild that is strong in whatever area you prefer. I guarantee you that in PvE if you have a monk with you, you can get pretty much any group. If you're into PvP then get a PvP guild. Good PUGs are easy to get into when you can emote.

Platemail does nothing for how reliable you look.

It's true, most newbs to the game (and people who never learn how to play) stick to warrior. It has the ability to be the perfect class for newbs, and to be used very well by people who know what they're doing.
The rare warrior who has skill often finds it terribly annoying to get a group because there are lots of n00b-warriors out there, and people have learned to make groups that do not include warriors.
My suggestion: keep trying, or find a new class. Coming here and bitching about it to us is just preaching to the choir and doing nothing to support good warriors. What are we supposed to do? Patrol the districts tracking warriors with skill and announcing their presence? I have better things to do with my time.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 18, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Ristaron

My suggestion: keep trying, or find a new class. Coming here and bitching about it to us is just preaching to the choir and doing nothing to support good warriors. What are we supposed to do? Patrol the districts tracking warriors with skill and announcing their presence? I have better things to do with my time.

I'm not preaching to the choir. I'm preaching to all the jerks who have booted me from their groups because "warrior sux n00b". And why run arround announcing that warriors don't have to suck when you can just do it on the forums... like I did? If you don't want to read threads like this, then don't. It's not like you're being forced to.

rad1ance · Aug 19, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

Yo, here's my 2 cents. If your a warrior and you can do the griffin run in the desert, who cares if they don't like you, your making money, money buys respect, if your dumb enough to care about having respect.

kinslayer · Aug 19, 2005, 04:46 PM // 16:46

What most people dont understand is warriors are an elite class. The three main classes are nukers, healers, and TANKS (not bashing on rangers, mesmers, or necros, they are icing on the cake :] ). Saying you hate warriors is like saying you hate monks. Each class hold a crucial part in battle. Most "nOObs" pick warriors because they believe that it is the easiest class to pick up, a common misconception. Any idiot that has done Villiany of Galrath, or Thunderhead Keep, can agree with me that without a warrior it would be completely impossible.

White Designs · Aug 19, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by kinslayer

The three main classes are nukers, healers, and TANKS.

I don't even bother to play PvE anymore but that's just painfully wrong.

rad1ance · Aug 19, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Exactly how I feel, but hey! Who cares if they think your noobs, let them go with everyone except warriors and then I guarantee as soon as the monks die, because monsters do like to agro them first from my experience, the rest of the group will fall down with the monks. And, a good successful way to protect the monks are to have warriors stand in front and take a beating.

Vax · Aug 20, 2005, 08:52 AM // 08:52

I would just like to say

Without us "Tanks" "Warriors" "Retards" (lol)
And I realize that some Warriors are completely noob, and have no brain what so ever - but its the same for all professions.

Without Warriors, no build could complete any mission, tomb, or gvg

ever wonder why spike groups suck so much?
well theres yer sign

nightwing · Aug 20, 2005, 09:21 AM // 09:21

Hmmm...In my experience i have found many warriors to be very knowageable and nice, and many to either be asses, idiots, or ignorant regardless of whether they and "n00bs" or not. My main is a ranger and god knows I have had a hard enough time finding groups as it is, but I usually just use henchmen unless the mission needs the use of stradegy which as many of you can attest to the hechmen do not have. But to say that every warrior is a "n00b" is unfair...its just 90% of them.

Vax · Aug 20, 2005, 09:34 AM // 09:34

well look at it like this

everyone that is a guy probably thought about becoming a warrior just because it has the most action up front and u get to fight right next the enemies, and watch them die up close (my reason for making my 1st char a warrior)

along the lines you have to make strats with warriors to become good in PvP (PvE u just chargein like a retard and piss of ur entire group off [ its all good])

but yes thank god im not in the 90% of the retarded warriors
whew

White Designs · Aug 20, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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Originally Posted by Vax

I would just like to say

Without us "Tanks" "Warriors" "Retards" (lol)
And I realize that some Warriors are completely noob, and have no brain what so ever - but its the same for all professions.

Without Warriors, no build could complete any mission, tomb, or gvg

ever wonder why spike groups suck so much?
well theres yer sign

Hm...Ranger Team...hm...Spike teams did win for while...105 monks...
Don't be ridiculous. Any mission in the game can be completed without one.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 20, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by White Designs

Hm...Ranger Team...hm...Spike teams did win for while...105 monks...
Don't be ridiculous. Any mission in the game can be completed without one.

You miss the point, I think. Sure, any group can complete a mission, but the missions are a lot easier to complete if you have some tanks to give your casters some protection from enemies.

It's a dumb idea to have too many tanks (3 is enough for any 8-man mission), but they are a good part of a balanced breakfast, er... team.

White Designs · Aug 20, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Nah, the point is that any mission can be done fairly easily with a decent team, and most people don't understand the value of good rangers, mesmers, and necros (which is ridiculous since you can make a strong case for Necro as the strongest PvE char in the game). Blindly thinking that you need a warrior leads to failure.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 20, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by White Designs

Nah, the point is that any mission can be done fairly easily with a decent team, and most people don't understand the value of good rangers, mesmers, and necros (which is ridiculous since you can make a strong case for Necro as the strongest PvE char in the game). Blindly thinking that you need a warrior leads to failure.

My point is that you need all of them. Tanks hold aggro, rangers interrupt, trap, or whatever, mesmers hex, and necros raise minion armies. These abilites work best when they are combined (ever notice that mesmers suck in melee?).

Like I already said, it's not that you can't complete a mission without a balanced team, but it does make things easier.

Try this: form a PUG in Thunderhead Keep with no warriors to protect your casters and healers. See how long you last.

FiveDisgruntledMonkeys · Aug 20, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Hell Marauder

Warrior, together with rangers, are the only two classes that truely exist in REAL life. All casters exist only in fantasy. Go to any history museum and show me a magic wand/staff please. Hope that help out all warriors who feel being put down by those magic users.

Ah, yes. I remember reading in my history book that at the battle of Tours in 732 A.D., the Rangers put down Nature's Renewal, along with Quickening Zephyr, which allowed them to spam Debillitating Shot, which totally destroyed the Warriors' Energy reserves. Luckily, the Warriors made a daring rush up the hill face (screaming Watch Yourself! the whole time so the arrows would hurt less), and quickly used Cyclone Axe along with Berserker's Stance, to double the amount of Adrenaline in their body. The Rangers rallied around a few Healing Springs they summoned, and even used their Troll Unguent, but the Warriors prevailed, thanks to judicious use of Healing Signets and (of course) their natural Warrior's Cunning.
Yes. A historic day indeed.
(Give me a break. -Everything- in Guild Wars is fantasy.)

Doomlord_Slayermann · Aug 20, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by FiveDisgruntledMonkeys

Ah, yes. I remember reading in my history book that at the battle of Tours in 732 A.D., the Rangers put down Nature's Renewal, along with Quickening Zephyr, which allowed them to spam Debillitating Shot, which totally destroyed the Warriors' Energy reserves. Luckily, the Warriors made a daring rush up the hill face (screaming Watch Yourself! the whole time so the arrows would hurt less), and quickly used Cyclone Axe along with Berserker's Stance, to double the amount of Adrenaline in their body. The Rangers rallied around a few Healing Springs they summoned, and even used their Troll Unguent, but the Warriors prevailed, thanks to judicious use of Healing Signets and (of course) their natural Warrior's Cunning.
Yes. A historic day indeed.
(Give me a break. -Everything- in Guild Wars is fantasy.)

You know, I was thinking of doing something like this in response to that post, but sarcasm generally doesn't translate online. I guess you got arround that, though.

And remember kids, if you ever need something to hurt you less, just keep yelling "Watch Yourself!" until your energy bar reaches zero. Then engage the fetal position and beg for mercy.

Anti-Theory · Aug 21, 2005, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Bah, everybody who thinks tanks suck should die.

In fact, i've been through the tomb a few times with my RP Warrior/Monk. Yes, he is a tank, but i do my best to focus, i take the heat of the attacks and i deal some serious damage to casters. I'm more than just a tank, i save people from certian death. Without warriors, casters have no backbone. If not for the warriors efforts in the field of battle, one kind of caster would reign supreme - Mesmer. I've taken down hundreds of mesmers, i plow through Mesmers like a semi-truck plows through a motorcycle.

I've never actualy won in the hall of heroes, but i did get there about 4-5 times. And each time i was the last person alive, while the rest of my team sat dead or disconnected like assholes. And sometimes the entire teams hopes of continuing on to the next round rest solely on my shoulders. its a good feeling and i love my Warrior.